Topic: Federal anarchy
Post #2
You wrote on Jun 10, 2007 at 9:18 AM
No organisation. This is anarchy. A federal government is not acceptable to anarchist society. In turn, anarchy is not applicable to our "modern democracy", or the contemporary European order under which we live. We as anarchists will spend most of our time tearing down this order. Many of us will die in the process. When we are done, there will be no organisation, economic or bureaucratic. The implication is that many will die from starvation and disease. The survivors will form the nucleus of the new anarchist/nihilist society. A violent revolution is implied in anarchy.
I welcome all responses.
I welcome all responses.
Post #3
Thomas Facchine (Vassar) wrote on Jun 15, 2007 at 6:15 PM
Democracy as we know it and anarchy are incompatible because the former relies on coercive social organization and the latter doesn't. I disagree with the statement that "anarchy is no organization," that's not true, anarchy is voluntary, non-coercive organization. The difference is such: in a democracy, people within an arbitrary geographical plot of land vote and everyone must adhere to the winning decision. In anarchy, the association is voluntary and not arbitrary, you can still do things "democratically" within a given organization but if you vote on the losing side you can dissociate yourself from the organization entirely and do your own thing anyway.
You said something about "necessary" organization for economical purposes (or something to that effect). Why is it necessary? To me, it's very coercive nature makes it not only unnecessary, but unwanted.
There are checks in anarchy, there just aren't coercive checks. The checks are our bonds of honor, truth, compassion and love. This is what needs to be developed before any sort of utopian vision is achieved.
You said something about "necessary" organization for economical purposes (or something to that effect). Why is it necessary? To me, it's very coercive nature makes it not only unnecessary, but unwanted.
There are checks in anarchy, there just aren't coercive checks. The checks are our bonds of honor, truth, compassion and love. This is what needs to be developed before any sort of utopian vision is achieved.
Post #4
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You wrote on Jun 16, 2007 at 8:57 PM
Thomas, I agree with your ideas, but one. Voluntary organisation and checks are like voluntary taxes. They are equal to none. Any organisation or checks that are voluntary cannot exist, since no one will opt to be organised, and to place checks upon oneself, and hope to survive.
Anarchy does not, therefore, have any organisation.
Anarchy does not, therefore, have any organisation.
Post #5
Perhaps I misunderstood you, what type of organization did you initially mean?
I was simply thinking of mutual aid organization, like volunteer fire departments.
I was simply thinking of mutual aid organization, like volunteer fire departments.
Post #6
You wrote 13 hours ago
Hey, Thomas!
You're right. Mutual aid organisations may exist in anarchy. But tell me, would anyone volunteer if they didn't need to?
Anarchy holds the promise of acting exactly as one wants. I for one would not volunteer for anything I didn't want to. An hypothetical prospective volunteer fire chief would not be able to recruit any firemen under anarchy. What do you reckon?
J
You're right. Mutual aid organisations may exist in anarchy. But tell me, would anyone volunteer if they didn't need to?
Anarchy holds the promise of acting exactly as one wants. I for one would not volunteer for anything I didn't want to. An hypothetical prospective volunteer fire chief would not be able to recruit any firemen under anarchy. What do you reckon?
J
